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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:01 pm    Post subject: The "50th" Box Set - chosen by the forum members Reply with quote

Ladies and Gentlemen - I have heard from those "upstairs" that many of the selections that we made are indeed making it onto a Box Set. Smile

The CD is planned to be the October release "Trojan Rarities Box Set" (TJETD215). It will be stickered and promoted as the "first Trojan release ever to be chosen by the people for the people" by way of the online Forum.

Due to certain licensing problems, not everything that people requested will be on there, but by way of the thread and emails, a large percentage are, whilst the remaining tracks were selected by Laurence Cane-Honeysett, who compiled it.

Of course, one of our number worked out that there are towards 200 tracks we selected - I could imagine that getting hold of many of these was difficult, if not impossible and maybe not timely - we can only hope that there will be enough for a second edition some time in the future Wink

If I get a sight of the track-listing before it gets onto the main trojan website, I'll post them up on here Wink

Smile BTW - this will be the 52nd. Box Set - let's make this one the success we think it deserves to be.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:32 pm    Post subject: HERE THEY ARE... Reply with quote

Here's the track listing - I hope that your selection made it - get a load of these (there's a hidden bonus track on disc 3 - so 51 tracks in all, but if I were to say what this was, then it might as well not be hidden Wink ):

Disc 1: Vintage Revive, 1966 to 1969
1. Suffer Me Not – The Spanishtonians (Kong) Island Music
Produced by Leslie Kong (1966)

2. Pour On The Source – The Soul Leaders with The Carib-Beats (Soul Leaders) Island Music
Produced by Karl ‘J.J.’ Johnson (1967)

3. Goodnight My Love – Roland Alphonso & The Beverley’s All Stars (Unknown) Copyright Control
Produced by Leslie Kong (1967)

4. Coming On Strong – The Tartans (Russell, Myton) Copyright Control
Produced by Blondel Calnek (1967)

5. Govern Your Mouth – Johnny Melody (aka George Agard) (Agard) Music Like Dirt
Produced by Leslie Kong (1967)

6. I’m Gonna Love You – Ewan McDermott & Jerry Matthias with The Carib-Beats (McDermott) R&B Music
Produced by Ewan McDermott (1967)

7. Ain’t That Peculiar – Austin Faithful (Martin) Island Music
Produced by Leslie Kong (1967)

8. The Lecture – Jo Jo Bennett & The Fugitives (Bennett, Stone) Island Music
A Lee Enterprises (Holdings) Ltd. Production (1967)

9. I Have Changed – Carlton Alphonso (Alphonso) Copyright Control
A Deltone Production (1968)

10. Chances – Gladstone Anderson with Lyn Taitt & The Jets (Unknown) Copyright Control
Produced by Richard Khouri (1968)

11. Why Did You Leave – The Young Souls (Gibson) B&C Music
Produced by Joe Gibbs (1968)

12. Worries (A Yard) – The Versatiles (Versatiles) B&C Music
A Deltone Production (1968)

13. Good To Me – Delroy Wilson (Wilson) B&C Music
Produced by Sonia Pottinger (1969)

14. Musical Fight (aka Target) – The Crashers (aka The Gaytones) (Pottinger) Copyright Control
Produced by Sonia Pottinger (1969)

15. Su, Su, Su – The Soul Directions (Agard, Robinson, Crooks)
A Dynamic Sounds Production (1969)

16. Adam And Eve – The Bleechers (Bleechers) Mother maestro Music
Produced by Lee Perry (1969)

17. Mr D.J. – The Conquerors (Conquerors) B&C Music
Produced by Sonia Pottinger (1969)

Disc 2: Superbad Sounds, 1969 to 1973
1. Last Lick– Tommy McCook & The Supersonics (Reid) B&C Music Ltd.
Produced by Arthur ‘Duke’ Reid (1969)

2. No More Teardrops – Eric ‘Monty’ Morris & The Maples (2.04) (Morris) B&C Music
Produced by Alvin Ranglin (1969)

3. It's Your Thing - Anonymously Yours (Isley, Isley, Isley) Jobere Music (UK) Ltd.
Produced by Bart San Fillipo (1969)

4. Darkness - Boris Gardiner & The Love People (Riley) Westbury Music
Produced by Winston Riley (1969)

5. Going In Circles – Bobby ‘Blue’ Davis & The Sensations (Unknown) Copyright Control
Produced by Lloyd Charmers (1970)

6. Feel A Little Better – Lloyd Parks & the Techniques (Parks) B&C Music
Produced by Winston Riley (1970)

7. Lonely Man – Dave Barker & the Techniques (Unknown)
Produced by Winston Riley (1970)

8. Music Talk – Karl Walker & The Charmers (Charmers) New Town Sound Ltd.
Produced by Lloyd Charmers (1970)

9. (Name) Ring A Bell - The Cables (Drummond, Johnson) Copyright Control
Produced by Harry Johnson (1970)

10. Julianne - Byron Lee & The Dragonaires (Unknown) Copyright Control
Produced by Byron Lee (1970)

11. More Heartaches - Lizzy (Anderson, Johnson) Copyright Control
Produced by Harry Johnson (1970)

12. Life Is Rough – Stone (3.34) (Unknown) Copyright Control
A Federal Records production (1971)

13. Super Bad – Jeff Dixon (Dixon, Holt) Copyright Control
produced by Arthur ‘Duke’ Reid (1971)

14. Sitting In The Park - Slim Smith (Stewart)
Produced by Edward ‘Bunny’ Lee (1971)

15. The Drifter – I Roy (Reid, Robinson) New Town Sound Ltd.
Produced by Harry Mudie (1971)

16. Horns Of Paradise – Ron ‘Trammy’ Wilson (Riley) Westbury Music
produced by Winston Riley (1972)

17. Dr Fud - Fud & Del (Christian) New Town Sound Ltd.
Produced by Fud Christian (1973)

Disc 3: UK Rarities, 1970 to 1978
1. Keep On Trying – Tony Nash (Nash) B&C Music
Produced by Lambert Briscoe for Trojan Records (1970)

2. Moon River (7” mix) – Greyhound (Mancini)
Produced by Dave Bloxham for Trojan Records (1971)

3. B.B.C. - Nicky Thomas (Thomas) New Town Sound Ltd.
Produced by Nicky Thomas for Trojan Records (1971)

4. Rose Garden - Teddy Brown (South) Sony / ATV Music Publishing (UK) Ltd.
Produced by Philip Swern & Johnny Arthey for Pinpoint Productions (1971)

5. Shacatac – Dave Barker (Crooks) Creole Music
A Creole Records Production (1972)

6. A Little Today, A Little Tomorrow – Winston Francis (Francis) Creole Music
Produced by Bruce White & Tony Cousins for Creole Records (1972)

7. Check Out Yourself – The Cimarons (Unknown) Copyright Control
Produced by Robert Thompson & Joe Sinclair for Trojan Records (1973)

8. You Can’t Buy My Love – Donna Dawson (Unknown) Copyright Control
Produced by Sidney Crooks for Trojan Records (1973)

9. Just Because – Danny Ray (Price) Copyright Control
Produced by Jackie Edwards for Trojan Records (1973)

10. Back On The Scene – Junior English (English) New Town Sound Ltd.
Produced by Ellis Breary for Trojan Records (1974)

11. Touch Me Baby – The Marvels (Unknown) Copyright Control
Produced by Robert Thompson for Trojan Records (1975)

12. How Could You Do This – Nora Dean & Dansak (Binns, Starr) New Town Sound Ltd.
Sonny Binns & Trevor Starr for Trojan Records (1975)

13. Ramblin’ Man – Gene Rondo (Rondo) Copyright Control
Produced by Keith Bonsoir for Trojan records (1976)

14. I’ll Be Free Someday – Candy Lewis (Bushay)
Produced by Clement Bushay for Trojan Records (1977)

15. You Are Mine – Honeyboy (Williams) New Town Sound Ltd.
Produced by Keith Williams for Trojan Records (1977)

16. Reggae Man – Teddy Davis & The Discolettes (Williams) New Town Sound Ltd.
Produced by Stan Biederbeck for Trojan Records (1978)

A big HOORAY for the 7" mix of "Moon River", definitely a few rarities, with a mix of some a bit more available.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks nice and tasty Smile

Anyone who likes to compare, here are nearly all suggestions from the board members as copied & pasted by Pete & Trev. Wink

Shubin By George Dekker
Sweet Back By The Charmers
Mr Carl Dawkins With "Satisfaction
10 Steps To Soul By Mudies All Stars
Moon River By Greyhound Trojan Maxi Mix
Blue Boot By Eric Donaldson
Donna Dawson - First Cut Is The Deepest
Rita Alston / "Popcorn Funky Reggae" Uk Trojan Tr7751 1970. A Nat Cole Production
Eric Barnett / "Bumper To Bumper" Uk Gas Gas147 1970.
Ken Boothe / "I Wish It Could Be Peaceful Again" Uk Summit Sum8518 1971.
Busty Brown / "The Greatest Love" Uk Punch Ph38 1970.
Dillinger / "John Devour" Uk Upsetter Us400 1973.
Boris Gardiner / "Darkness" Uk Big Shot Bi538.
I-Roy / "Tip From The Prince" Uk Pyramid Pyr7001 1973.
Lloyd Jones' / "Rome" Uk Bullet Bu429 1970.
Byron Lee & The Dragonaires / "Julianne" Uk Trojan Tr7761 1970.
Big Five Wants Skin Flesh & Bone..... South African Reggae
Stu - Greatest Love Of All By Owen Grey On Trojan
Stand Up And Fight By Slim Smith
Dr Fud By Fud & Del (Bit Rude)
Lollipop Girl 70's Version Derrick Harriot
The Last Is Undertaker By The Crystalites
Mother & Child Reunion" Tr-7852
The Label Says The Uniques, But I Think That
Kc White's Brilliant 'Anywhere But Knowhere' On Techniques.
Reggae Sounds Are Boss/Goodbye My Love By Fitzroy & Harry/Fitzroy Sterling
It Gotta Be So By Desmond Dekker
Outformer Parker - I Roy Attack Single Att 8102
Pharaoh Hiding- Junior Byles Dynamic Single Dyn432
Have I Sinned - Lloyd Charmers Harry J Single Hj6662
Sorry Harry - Dennis Alcapone Harry J Single Hj6666
Rose Garden By Teddy Brown On Trojan
U Roy Its Called Train From The West
Lloyd Robinson & Devon Russell - Bum Ball
Roy Wilson And Joe Higgs - Oh Manny Oh
Gregory Isaacs - Extra Classic (And Version)
Nora Dean - Ay Ay Ay (And Other Uncompiled Tracks)
Papa Tullo - Straight To The Government
Papa Tullo - Strictly Reggae Music
Wonder Boy: He Ain't Heavy (Jp 764-B)
Anonymously Yours: It's Your Thing (Tr 681-A)
The Cables: Ring A Bell (Tr 7792-B)
Carl Levey And The Cimarons: All Kind Of Everything-Instrumental -(Tr 7752-B)
Don Drummond Jr: Caterpillar Rock (Amg 830-B)
D&A Collins: Ton Up Kids (Tr 7891-A)
Stone: What A Day (Ex 2059-B)
Jamaica Jerk Off" By The Pioneers. In The
The Original Version Of Got To Get Away (Du007-B)
Wailers ''African Herbsman'' With A Sax (Tommy Mc Cook
Aces Doing Call Me Number One,
Mamouselle Ninnette Aces
Mr Carl Dawkins "Satisfaction" Prod. Jj Johnson 1970 Issued On Trojan 7"
Tommy Mccook & The Supersonics "Soul Serenade" (B Side Of Paragons' "Same Song" Ti7013 1967)
Tmcc&S "Expo" (B Side Of Melodians "Last Train To Expo 67" Ti7023 1967)
Winston Wright And The Jj Allstars "Neck Tie" (B Side Of Ethiopians' "Mek You Go On So" Duke Du61 1970)
Tommy Mccook's "Last Lick" (B Side Of Alton Ellis / Phyllis Dillon's "Remember That Sunday" Duke Du72 1970) - An Instrumental Version Of The Sensations "Those Guys"
Tmcc "Soldier Man" (B Side Of Ethiopians' "Mother's Tender Care" Dr2507 1970)
Tmcc "Duke's Reggae" (B Side Of Alton Ellis' "You've Made Me So Very Happy" Dr2512 1970)
Charmers' "Going In Circles" (Uk Explosion Ex2054 1971)
Dread Head Or Lion Head By Jackie Brown
BBC Nicky Thomas
Dennis Brown & Janet Kay's Version Of `The Closer I Get To You' Or Was It By Marcia Aitken?
Caught You In A Lie Louisa Marks
Six Six Street Louisa Marks
Keep It Like It Is Louisa Marks
Rocking Time" And "Reggae For Days". Roy And Enid
Maria Mudie - Caught You In A Lie
Sitting In The Park Slim Smith
Pharoah Hiding By Junior Byles
Coming Home By Junior Byles
Do I Worry By Derrick Harriot
Bushweed Corntrash" Was Credited To Ricky & Bunny.
Guilty By Tiger
Pee Pee Cluck Cluck By The Maytals
Musical Fight - The Crashers -
Dynamite Line - Joe's All Stars
Two Ton Gulleto - Hugh Roy Jnr
Too Bad Bull - Bunnie & Rickey
Bad Cow - The Upsetters
Busty Brown's "Greatest Love"
Back A Yard By The In Crowd
15 16 & 17 Called Emotions
Little Roy's "Scrooge
Don't Stay Out Late - Lord Creator
At The Club - Dandy Livingstone
trouble, trouble - Lloyd Robinson
Nosey Parker - George Dekker Harry J HJ6696 1974
Over & Over - Jackie Robinson Amalgamated AMG 819 1968
How I want To Love - Sidney George & Jackie Attack Att8034 1972
Popacityo - U Roy Jnr BIG BG329 1972
Oppurtunity - George Faith Horse Hoss 143 1977
Elfreco Bacca - Dave & Ansil Collins Big Shot BI 545 1970
Tit For Tat - Skin Flesh & bones Trojan TR7915 1974
Just Enough - David Isaacs Bread BR1118 1973
John Crow Skank - Clancy Eccles Clandisc CL235 1971
Rub Up a Daughter - Dennis Alcapone Green Door GD4041 1972
Tell me know - Marcia Griffiths Gas111
Don't Let me down - Marcia Griffiths Escort Es 101.
Feel Like Jumping - Marcia Griffiths
Hey Little Girl/Don't Blame The Man - Derrick Morgan Downtown DT520 1973
Reggae In London City - Pioneers Trojan 1986
I am what I am - Jackie Opel
Lord Tanamo & The Ska-talites' 'Big Trombone'
Salt of the Earth - The Cables
Medley Train - Ken Boothe & U Roy
Pop-a-top - Andy Capp
Crimson & Clover - Lloyd Chalmers
Birth Control - Lloyd Terrell
Shocks of the Mighty - Upsetters
Lock Jaw - Tommy McCook
NO MORE HEARTACHES - THE BELTONES
HOME WITHOUT YOU - THE BELTONES
NO GOOD GIRL - THE BELTONES
Why Pretend" Trevor Shields & The Beltones Harry J 1968
I'm Gonna Get Married by Danny Ray
Two Roads Before Me - Roy & Yvonne.
John Holts TheLast farewell
Chicken Thief - Lloyd Clarke
Madness - Mighty Maytones
President In School - Cat Campbell
Baba Brooks with Greenfield Ska
Sorry harry - Dennis alcapone
Reggae Motion - The Aces
In the Park - Leonard Dillon
Funky Strip" Herman/Charlie Boy (Trojan TR7823 1971).
Deadly Sting - Scorpion
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much niceness!

Many thanks!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dankeschön, Ekki - aber ich kann nicht gearscht sein Wink , die zwei Listen zu vergleichen Sad

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:12 am    Post subject: 50th box set Reply with quote

So pleased to see that the 50th is coming soon, I think this must be a first for a label to let the people decide what tracks are on it!!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So pleased to see that the 50th is coming soon, I think this must be a first for a label to let the people decide what tracks are on it!!
...I couldn't disagree less Smile , Trev.

Let's hope that if this one is a success, a "Volume 2" can happen.

What I don't know is, what (in terms of sales and profit) constitutes a success Confused Shocked Smile

...and of course, this will be the 52nd. Box Set Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I thought you will do the job, Zap Wink
Anyway that's pretty english german you wrote, but the message got through Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judging the tracklist a second time, I would say cd 1 looks excellent, cd 2 pretty good and I#m sceptical about cd 3.
But I will buy this box for sure Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:05 am    Post subject: 50th Box Set Reply with quote

Hooray, all good things come to those who wait!!

I am interested in:

15. Su, Su, Su – The Soul Directions (Agard, Robinson, Crooks)
A Dynamic Sounds Production (1969)

Is this one of the many aliases that the pioneers used?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it always CD number 3 which contains the weaker commercial-type efforts? There seems to be a trend for this on some of the Box Sets!
Not wanting to sound critical, but most of these are what you'd find in a secondhand shops 'Trojan 45s you can't get rid of' bargain bin and which are definitely not 'rarities'. Pleased to see the Tony Nash track on there though. An excellent stringsed-up tune from this one-shot guy, whoever he was.

All in all, this is a two-thirds good set which contains a largely throwaway third disc (sorry Laurence but someone had to say it).
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I totally agree about the 3rd CD and my selection Carl Dawkins "Satisfaction" could have gone somewhere on this collection Sad I am very disappointed there isnt one of his tracks on this. Sad

"Satisfaction" was one of the biggest selling records in Jamaica of the 1960's Carl hasnt got the master it is said that when Producer JJ Johnson was killed JJs wife went off with the tapes and they have never been seen since. Sad
Patate records issued a CD of Carl Dawkins music and "Satifaction" is on this BUT its only about a minute and a half long and not in good condition, not their fault of course, but I think its time that people were able to hear some lost tracks by Carl, including the one with Family man "Get Together" and "Instalment Plan", and "Baby I Love You" which was featured on "You Left Me Standing" Trojan LP. Cool

I am also very unhappy that certain much less asked for tracks have been included above my recomendation Crying or Very Sad and they are of lesser quality, this would not just be my opinion Twisted Evil I'm sure if people do not know them know when they hear them it will be obvious Shocked

I will be crying into my Guinness tonight Crying or Very Sad I am very unhappy today Sad
Unless TROJAN is thinking of issuing a CARL DAWKINS CD (although that normally would not stop them issuing tracks on other CDs) Confused I think this is a glorious opportunity wasted Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.................and I thought I was being hard on them. Really agree about Carl Dawkins JPP. His 'I feel good' was a tune I bought at the time and his cut of 'Satisfaction' is way better than Errol Dunkley's IMO - a fairly rare case of a Studio 1 tune being bettered elsewhere. Carl's another overlooked singer along with the likes of Eric Morris and Joe White.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The title may be "Rarities" if not many have been on CD before or at least a Trojan CD - I can't confirm those.

I definitely agree that Carl Dawkins deserved a track and you probably couldn't have got a better one than "Satisfaction" - discussed some time back in this forum, this song sold by the shedload, plenty enough to make the charts - unfortunately, not enough sales in the chart return shops - I can't remember how it fared in airplay - may have got a few spins on Radio Luxembourg, but on Radio 1... Confused

Also, "Satisfaction" can be found on the pre-Sanctuary Trojan "Jamaican Hits" Box Set (TRBCD017) - JPP, this track is good quality, but lasts only 1m 45s - the same as the Duke single.

Yes, Carl definitely does deserve a dedicated retrospective compilation Smile ...in plain English, that means "a Best Of... CD" Shocked Sad Wink

Maybe the reason that we feel the third CD is often not quite up to the standard of the first two is that sometimes these Box Sets are presented chronologically, so the later tracks are on CD3. We "old stagers" may be of the opinion that after the early 1970's Jamaican music "stringed up" too much, there were too many covers of pop or soul songs or simply lost its way for a bit.

While you can't please all of the people all of the time, if you had put a gun to my head and said "Choose one song for this Box Set, Joe!", I'd have gone for Busty Brown's brilliant version of Lee Dorsey's "Greatest Love" - I've never seen it on CD and that is the one I'm disappointed that isn't there.

Of course, there are enough quality omissions from this set for a volume 2 in a few months, IMVHO Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnnyprampram wrote:
Patate records issued a CD of Carl Dawkins music and "Satifaction" is on this BUT its only about a minute and a half long and not in good condition,


The same label seems to have in their future releases a live albulm from Carl Dawkins. They have issued a live one from Alton Ellis (with french band ASPO) and it's a really good one. Let's hope this Carl Dawkins live one will be of the same quality !
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